tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post3315039261352033450..comments2011-04-16T12:37:28.654-04:00Tao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comBlogger145125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-83164381028917155082010-08-06T17:00:49.488-04:002010-08-06T17:00:49.488-04:00Damn. I feel a low-level shitstorm brewing. I feel it in my boners. Seems like it will be a quiet, sustained shitstorm, like the whistle of a tiny tea kettle.marshallhttp://youtubedotcom.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-55440220639890397822010-08-05T18:03:59.499-04:002010-08-05T18:03:59.499-04:00@nobody<br /><br />tao lin accepted my lonely journal&#39;s tao lin gchat v2<br /><br />it is a gchat that has clearly been extended.<br /><br />this was before i had entered the competition.<br /><br />it sets an undeniable precedent: that it was acceptable to extend one&#39;s entryadamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-22426656542454237542010-08-05T16:20:57.710-04:002010-08-05T16:20:57.710-04:00I&#39;m always too late for things.<br />This looks like it was a fun contest Tao.<br />I hope you continue to host these.Carloshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12402812384964545241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-68761581169509622822010-08-05T15:22:40.322-04:002010-08-05T15:22:40.322-04:00&quot;there exists a draft and editing stage.&quot;<br /><br />It seems that you would only publish an essay after having gone through a draft and editing stage.<br /><br />As in, I don&#39;t believe that your publishing your first essay (Mon. 7:06 PM) was part of the &quot;draft and editing stage.&quot;<br /><br />Anyway, this is ultimately Tao&#39;s decision, and I suppose my opinion is not really relevant.Seanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17484026762180715017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-90973831520558042912010-08-05T13:41:09.254-04:002010-08-05T13:41:09.254-04:00On my iPhone in park<br /><br />Adam, if I submitted my book to my publisher and they published it (linked it) and then I added 30000 words to it because another book was published that was longer than my book and I wanted to have the longest book they wouldn&#39;t publish it again I think<br /><br />You did the submission process as stated in the blog post then you pasted the link two more times <br /><br />When you completed the submission process and I linked your entry I viewed that entry at that moment as your one entry<br /><br />If people could continue adding words until the deadline I wouldn&#39;t be able to discern the winner because I think it&#39;s impossible for me to check word count of every entry at the oment of the deadline I think<br /><br />I viewed in part you adding words as a &#39;gimmick&#39; and also fully as it being a second entry<br /><br />Kiser my judgment as I said I would and felt strongly that Jordan was the winner<br /><br />I don&#39;t want to comment anymore on this, email me to be reimbursed for your time and for your free book if you wantTao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-86813147133044796912010-08-05T13:39:26.747-04:002010-08-05T13:39:26.747-04:00@sean<br /><br />i am question what is conceptually considered versions of the same writing.<br /><br />i consider tao&#39;s final published richard yates to be comparable to my &#39;final&#39; entry: the entry at the time of the deadline.<br /><br />there exists a draft and editing stage.<br /><br /><br />i meant that although you had entries in different places it was clear that there was only one entry.<br /><br />in the same way, there may have existed different versions of my essay at different times, but it is clear there is only one essay.adamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-13439383895094866922010-08-05T12:45:18.954-04:002010-08-05T12:45:18.954-04:00&quot;when you wrote Richard Yates, did you write &gt; 1 million different books?&quot;<br /><br />The difference is that when Tao published Richard Yates, it&#39;s the 1st edition/1st publication/1st &quot;entry.&quot; If Tao passed off a 2nd edition as a 1st edition, then he&#39;d be doing the same thing you are.<br /><br />&quot;someone submitted the same entry twice and you did not have a problem with that&quot;<br /><br />If you&#39;re referring to me, I&#39;m only getting credit for my first entry.Seanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17484026762180715017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-90349052293763365102010-08-05T06:44:04.168-04:002010-08-05T06:44:04.168-04:00@tao<br /><br />i) <br />the rule state:<br />“Motivated people can submit entries in each contest to receive 3 free books, but cannot submit more than one entry for each contest.”<br />the context of this sentence is the maximum number of books it is possible to get by entering the competition.<br />it seems clear that you cannot submit more than one entry refers to submitting more than one entry into the same contest to gain more than one book.<br /><br />ii) <br />at no single point in time did i have more than one entry into the competition.<br />at the deadline of the competition i only had one entry into the competition.<br />if i had spotted a typo before the deadline and corrected it then would i have been disqualified because i changed my essay?<br /><br />when you wrote Richard Yates, did you write &gt; 1 million different books?<br />everytime you added a letter did you consider those to be distinctly separate novels?<br />do you think that if you added a few sentences you could submit Richard Yates + a few sentences to another publisher and they would be happy with it?<br /><br />you did not say that submission to the contest is essentially the deadline for one’s entry.<br /><br />iii) <br />when people questioned you about the Brandon scott gorrell story contest you said:<br />“seems like people &#39;trade&#39; ideas or drafts or sentences or things often, i&#39;ve done it before, and it seems accepted conventionally even.&#39;<br />to me it seems like people edit and amend their ideas, drafts or sentences and things (including essays) often. i’ve done it and it seems accepted conventionally even.<br /><br />iv) <br />to me there are obvious ways that you could have run the competition so that people did not know each other’s wordcounts and were not able to edit, change or extend their entries.<br />you did not do this.<br /><br />v) <br />submitting more than one time is not disallowed in the blog post.<br />submitting more than one entry is.<br />someone submitted the same entry twice and you did not have a problem with that<br /><br />vi) <br />the only part of the rules which make your decision valid is the clause that you feel flexible about the rules of the contest.<br />your flexibility leaned towards your friend it seemsadamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-30403673087436374042010-08-04T21:57:28.014-04:002010-08-04T21:57:28.014-04:00@adam as stated before your first (and only &#39;allowed&#39; entry, as stated in the &#39;rules&#39;) was not longer than jordan&#39;s entry<br /><br />your second entry (only one entry per person is allowed per contest, to in part avoid specifically this situation, was longer than jordan&#39;s entry<br /><br />submitting more than one time is not allowed, as stated in the blog post<br /><br />but because you still feel that you should have won i have offered to reimburse you for your time, and all entries also get a free book, you can email me if you want thoseTao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-49777269672329157542010-08-04T20:18:21.205-04:002010-08-04T20:18:21.205-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Justin R. Morrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05744880654509648200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-50735583381444226742010-08-04T18:30:37.940-04:002010-08-04T18:30:37.940-04:00@tao<br /><br />am i right in thinking that although i had a essay with a longer wordcount that did not contradict the rules of the contest <i>as written</i><br /><br />you decided to disallow my entry in favour of your friend?adamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-18961032603574769392010-08-04T12:46:03.577-04:002010-08-04T12:46:03.577-04:00This is late, but doesn&#39;t matter, we didn&#39;t do it for the books:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTbEJ0aykgahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13938525905540554797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-50323871586790946952010-08-04T12:27:16.828-04:002010-08-04T12:27:16.828-04:00also: not surprised re: jordan castro re: the way brandon&#39;s contest ended.<br /><br />also also: it was obvious to me that the word count was &#39;fixed&#39; @ time of submission.Danhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01273538327322640250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-46683058862176100482010-08-04T12:21:32.047-04:002010-08-04T12:21:32.047-04:00i agree that my &#39;links&#39; were 100% bullshitDanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01273538327322640250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-40416571866290484562010-08-04T10:38:58.296-04:002010-08-04T10:38:58.296-04:00damnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-14933594410709015942010-08-04T05:27:23.367-04:002010-08-04T05:27:23.367-04:00@adam it was stated that each person can submit only one time for each contest<br /><br />you submitted, and your submission was accepted<br /><br />later you submitted again, in my view<br /><br />an analogy would be a &#39;mail in contest&#39;<br /><br />if you mailed in your submission you would not be able to change it once you mailed it in<br /><br />the judging of this contest was, i felt, and stated in the blog post, &#39;objective, to a large degree,&#39; but not fully objective, because i foresaw that some people might have disputes with me in how i view things<br /><br />i stated that my definition of &#39;legitimate&#39; would include [other things of this nature]<br /><br />in my view you saw that someone had a certain word count, and then you lengthened your entry to &#39;beat&#39; that entry, near the deadline, and then submitted again<br /><br />[see above analogy re &#39;mail in submission&#39;]<br /><br />i&#39;m going to sleep now, you can email me to be reimbursed if you wantTao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-68298789175726757242010-08-04T05:20:42.832-04:002010-08-04T05:20:42.832-04:00i don&#39;t think money solves this.<br /><br />i think the situation you were trying to avoid (people typing up to the last minute and trying to beat each other with one word) didn&#39;t happen.<br /><br />i don&#39;t see any significant difference between what happened and if i had not posted earlier and lengthened the essay in the same way i did and then posted.<br /><br />i think being objective means looking at what the rules say rather than looking at what you meant them to say<br /><br />i think i am trapped because i don&#39;t even want to win anymore, i am not sure if i even have a goal to thisadamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-85315872278499707552010-08-04T05:10:53.867-04:002010-08-04T05:10:53.867-04:00@adam i agree that a word count wasn&#39;t &#39;logged&#39; at the time, i had &#39;scanned&#39; the article and deemed it legitimate, and vaguely discerned the article&#39;s length, to some degree, feeling that an exact count could be made later, feeling that people would not lengthen their entries to &#39;beat&#39; pre-existing entries<br /><br />i didn&#39;t see a link to your post on the page you linked (also i don&#39;t feel i would feel that the 50% is legitimate, in my view, for this contest, due to the &#39;rules&#39; stating that one be &#39;linked by&#39; a site not for one to &#39;post a link on their site&#39;; going to &#39;correct&#39; this re dan&#39;s entry)<br /><br />using my discretion as to what seems to me legitimate and what seems to me not legitimate and [other things], as forewarned in the contest&#39;s rules, i decided via [things said in previous two comments] that jordan was the objective winner of contest 1<br /><br />since you felt the rules were not clear, and still felt this way after reading my reasoning, and because there is no contest fee to refund to you, i want to reimburse you for your time, email me and i will paypal youTao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-3465134484943073392010-08-04T04:41:03.265-04:002010-08-04T04:41:03.265-04:00but a wordcount wasn&#39;t logged at that time.<br /><br />the essay may not have been quite the length of jordan&#39;s but if you give it the +50% then it surely would have surpassed.<br /><br />alternatively you had judged the essay legit at that time, which would include the 32,000 word gimmick maybe.<br /><br /><br />i just don&#39;t know, maybe i don&#39;t get it.<br />there probably other technicalities that can counteract your technicalities and really it is just you judgementadamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-84566583709168645832010-08-04T04:33:50.353-04:002010-08-04T04:33:50.353-04:00@adam i think it makes sense to me that when you submitted yesterday or the day before yesterday your &#39;word count&#39; was &#39;logged&#39; at the time i linked your entry via &#39;25&#39;<br /><br />i viewed the word counts of each entry, at the time of the entry, the time i linked each entry, as the &#39;official, objective&#39; word count<br /><br />i think i definitely wanted to make it &#39;one submission per person&#39; to avoid everyone extending their entries until 10pm to be 1 word more or [whatever] more at 10pm<br /><br />i foresaw some situation where people continue typing until the last moment, or where people extend their entry after 10pm (and i woudn&#39;t know, as i wouldn&#39;t be able to copy and paste every entry at 10pm into microsoft word simulatenously to see the word counts)<br /><br />i apologize that it wasn&#39;t clear, i&#39;ll reinburse your time spent lengthening the article at $10/hrTao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-2885616233331484502010-08-04T04:26:42.720-04:002010-08-04T04:26:42.720-04:00i don&#39;t think that was clear.<br /><br />i am worried that your competition that was supposed to be judges on seemingly objective criteria seems to have you taking a subjective judgement that means the person who loaned you money wins the contest (twice)<br /><br />i read the rule about submitting once as a way of preventing people from trying to get a library of your books easily.<br /><br />is resubmission submitting more than one entry?<br />it does seem very much that at 10pm eastern i had submitted only one entry, no?adamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-71114777857734812102010-08-04T04:20:19.662-04:002010-08-04T04:20:19.662-04:00hi adam<br /><br />good job on the gigantic essay<br /><br />i feel that the &#39;rule&#39; stating that one person can submit one time to each contest was made so that people couldn&#39;t submit things again after seeing someone else&#39;s &#39;word count&#39;/&#39;video length&#39;<br /><br />when your entry was submitted earlier, i felt that the word count was, like, &#39;recorded,&#39; at that moment, as your one entry for contest 1<br /><br />and i feel that adding words to it is like submitting again<br /><br />i hope that is okay, what do you think?Tao Linhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04807160197099916059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-72603998677141951752010-08-04T04:04:17.110-04:002010-08-04T04:04:17.110-04:00tao lin all the words were added before the 10pm deadline<br />there are no rules against lengthening your essay<br />i mean: jesusadamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893740548007878923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-33045901703449945092010-08-04T02:29:33.777-04:002010-08-04T02:29:33.777-04:00fucking bullshitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13096981.post-34421362418230062182010-08-03T22:02:59.873-04:002010-08-03T22:02:59.873-04:00I have also posted the same essay here in case you wanted it on a blog instead or something:<br /><br />http://sean-face.blogspot.com/2010/08/who-hell-is-tao-lin-anyway.htmlSeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17484026762180715017noreply@blogger.com