2/13/09

can i write an iconic book of poetry

can i publish an iconic poetry book at age 27, is that too old

can richard yates be an iconic book, it will come out when i'm 26, i think, which seems really old in terms of literary excitement

can i feel excited about a book published by a 26-year-old, it feels like i can't at all

(i just thought 'what am i talking about, fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, hehe')

can i write the most readable non-mainstream book of poetry ever written, a book of poetry intensely liked by people i like, a book that makes me feel 'really clean and modern; constantly meaningless in a high-quality, healthy-feeling way; and suicidal in an exciting and ultimately life-affirming way' for at least 40 years

it would be called i don't want to go to sleep but i don't know what i'm waiting for, i would want it to be iconic in a new way, not in the way 'the catcher in the rye' or 'in the aeroplane over the sea' or like 'michael jordan' are iconic

do i like anything that i consider 'iconic,' i'm not sure, i think i don't, i think i don't use the word 'iconic' except in conjunction with at least 60% sarcasm or 80% 'politeness'

maybe i don't want to write an iconic poetry book

maybe i just want to write a book that 'finally' 'doesn't suck,' 'in my view'

what do i want to do

this is weird, the end of my career

i have been thinking about myself from the point of view of someone in 2100 idly thinking about my career and career arc and things like that while in a space station on mars looking at the earth, and i have images of myself staying in my room reading for a really long time and it seems good and acceptable

i see myself dying and it looks like a frog shriveling in a fast-motion national geographic thing, it looks dramatic and funny

it's okay maybe now for me to be alone a lot, people won't feel bad or think i'm weird, since i've accomplished things and seem productive, people will assume i am staying away from society to focus on 'my things' in a passive non-asshole way, and my value as a human being will increase, perhaps one day culminating in a permanent feeling of being 'beautiful and meaningless'

is this the goal of my life, to trick people biographically and control the tone with which they think about me, feels like i am inside my biography trying to 'get the tone right'

21 Comments:

OpenID brace said...

you can do anything

4:36 PM  
Blogger DJ Berndt said...

suicidal in an exciting and ultimately life-affirming way

4:57 PM  
Blogger chris moran said...

cognitive-behavioral therapy feels 'iconic' to me

6:08 PM  
Blogger sariya iman okoye said...

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6:57 PM  
Blogger adam coates said...

i read iconic as ironic.
it makes your blogpost have a whole different tone
also it makes your blogpost not make so much sense

7:13 PM  
Blogger taylorhand said...

butternut squash soup is too sweet for soup

8:44 PM  
Blogger Brandon Hobson said...

The tao,
Looking forward to the new issue of Noon, due out soon.

9:34 PM  
Blogger Noah Cicero said...

The last iconic book written was In Cold Blood

seriously

we need to do something about this

what was that

like forty fucking years ago

12:38 AM  
Blogger jillian said...

just think, "what does tao want"

8:26 AM  
Blogger Noah Cicero said...

Most writers never write more than one iconic book.

Hemingway is considered awesome cause he wrote three

The Sun Also Rises: age 27

For Whom the Bell Tolls: age 41. But does this one even count? Does anyone read this one anymore?

The Old Man: age 53

so like if you write an iconic novel right now and it gets published when you're 27, you will write a large novel in your forties that will be popular for several decades but no one will read anymore

and then when you're in your 50s you will write another one

which is depressing

to think that a writer on average writes one novel in their early life that is really good

which implies they are reflecting upon the first 25 years of their life to write the book

then they have to live 25 more years and then reflect upon those 25 years to write another

so the math is, to write an iconic novel you have to be able to summon up the last 25 years of life and put it into a novel

another example

Yates was 36 when Rev Road came out

Then Easter Parade came out 15 years later

the math is not perfect

being a writer is a weird job

a carpenter can make a wonderful looking kitchen once a week

a machine can produce a thousand coffee cups that say Disney Land on them an hour

A writer had to write like 20 books to get two to come out right

I'm saying 20 even though most only get 8 to 10 published, because a writer usually writes more books or at least starts some that never get shown to anyone.

12:41 PM  
Blogger Glen Binger said...

I will never be iconic. This makes me depressed. But one day you will and things will be good. Iconic. Its a nice word.

1:16 PM  
Blogger ryan manning said...

an ironic book of poetry

4:36 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

i looked up some things

'good morning, midnight' by jean rhys published when she was 49

'break it down' by lydia davis, 39

'a green light' by matthew rohrer, 34

'like life' by lorrie moore, 33

'chilly scenes of winter' by ann beattie, 29

'rabbit, run' by john updike, 28

'american psycho' by bret easton ellis, 27

4:52 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

oh, good, chris

4:53 PM  
Blogger Noah Cicero said...

those are good numbers tao

now is the time

6:51 PM  
Blogger morgan said...

hey tao. my name is morgan and i am a writer from florida. i've seen you on cooper's blog before and i think you write really cool sentences. can't wait 'til Richard Yates.

And, oh yeah, fuck Sam Mendes.

peace

morganbausman.blogspot.com

10:56 PM  
Blogger Will Ragsdale said...

I can't think of anyone else who I'd rather see do it than you. You have the oppertunity and skillset to do the thing. So,

Please do.

You need to be inspired, probably.

It would affect my life positively if you did, and also I could tell everyone 'I told you Tao Lin was iconic'

Make art

12:39 AM  
Blogger Ignacio said...

bell tolls gave us 'the earth moved' when the hero and ingrid bergman had sex.

mostly it's females who buy books now. (some say the ratio may be 8 out of 10.) young male coming-of-age novels are absolute non-starters as a result.

male writers however do well if they write 'thrillers.'

i'm not sure how well transgender authors do. they write memoirs mostly i think.

6:03 PM  
Blogger Ignacio said...

nick mcdonnell 17 -- first novel published, sold 300,000 copies. his father and godfather are in publishing... godfather might be morgan entrekin

david leavitt 19 when short stories appeared in the new yorker, followed by collection when 21. father a rector at stanford etc.

6:28 PM  
Blogger Melanie said...

Can I just say I love the punctuation here:


maybe i just want to write a book that 'finally' 'doesn't suck,' 'in my view'

12:18 AM  
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