heidi james shit on noah cicero's UK debut
THE HUMAN WAR by Noah Cicero came out in the UK yesterday and it has already been shit on.
The review is here.
I will paste the review below and type about each sentence.
First some observations about the review.
Every sentence in the review uses abstractions or "terms" (which are "received ideas," meaning the meaning has come from someone else or from society and not directly from concrete reality) rather than concrete specifics. The abstractions and "terms" are not defined in the review. When a person does this they are implying that they possess the only subjective experience in the universe. They are implying that they have exact definitions in their heads of phrases or words like "prose poetry," "adolescent," "angst," "nonsense," and "post-modern apathy" and then they are imposing that definition onto the rest of the universe.
It is like someone coming up to you saying, "You are a terrible piece of shit."
Most people would say or think, "Why?"
Heidi James' review is saying, "The Human War is nonsense."
So I think many people are thinking, "Why?"
(Though probably many or some people will just accept as a "received idea" that "The Human War is nonsense.")
Heidi James doesn't quote from the book. She doesn't define her abstractions. Heidi James is answering the question "Why is The Human War Nonsense" with "Because The Human War is nonsense." She is implying that she is the only conscious and perceiving entity in the universe.
Most people anticipate the question, "Why?" and so do not go up to another person and say, "You are a terrible piece of shit," but instead say something like, "You said you would meet me in the park and you didn't show up. Therefore [because you don't do what you say] you are a terrible piece of shit."
The sentences in THE HUMAN WAR mostly do not even say, "You are a terrible piece of shit," but only say, "You said you would meet me in the park and you didn't show up."
It uses mostly only concrete specifics. It is the opposite of Heidi James' review.
When a person uses only concrete specifics they are not imposing their experience of the universe onto you (or rather they are minimizing the imposition, since even a tree or a park, though concrete, is experienced differently by two different people; for example I could say "tree" and someone, though unlikely, could think I was talking about a "dog" or something). They are allowing the possibility that both you and they are conscious beings with different experiences of the universe. You can go up to that person and say, "I like red flowers," and they can say, "I like green flowers," and then you and that person can talk about something else without fighting.
It is the same with art. Books are like colors. People like different colors.
Okay.
I will type about the sentences in the review now.
If someone keeps saying, "You are a terrible piece of shit," to you and doesn't tell you what you did in concrete reality that made them think that how would you react?
Post your answer in the comments section.
Thank you.
It is 4:27 a.m.
I recommend Noah's book.
I have read it three or four times and I like it.
I read probably 2% of the books I have read more than once.
I was just a little confused because I thought, "What if Heidi James is just saying she doesn't like Noah's book, isn't that just like saying she doesn't like the color red, or something?"
But I don't think she is saying that.
The review doesn't say "To me" or "I think" or "I like" or "I don't like."
It is not, "I think you are a terrible piece of shit," or "To me, you are a terrible piece of shit." It is, "You are a terrible piece of shit," stated as a fact. She is not saying that she does not like the book. She is saying that the book should not be liked. Remember: this is not "good" or "bad" because "good" and "bad" do not exist until a context and a goal has been established and I did not establish a context or a goal in this post.
The review is here.
I will paste the review below and type about each sentence.
First some observations about the review.
Every sentence in the review uses abstractions or "terms" (which are "received ideas," meaning the meaning has come from someone else or from society and not directly from concrete reality) rather than concrete specifics. The abstractions and "terms" are not defined in the review. When a person does this they are implying that they possess the only subjective experience in the universe. They are implying that they have exact definitions in their heads of phrases or words like "prose poetry," "adolescent," "angst," "nonsense," and "post-modern apathy" and then they are imposing that definition onto the rest of the universe.
It is like someone coming up to you saying, "You are a terrible piece of shit."
Most people would say or think, "Why?"
Heidi James' review is saying, "The Human War is nonsense."
So I think many people are thinking, "Why?"
(Though probably many or some people will just accept as a "received idea" that "The Human War is nonsense.")
Heidi James doesn't quote from the book. She doesn't define her abstractions. Heidi James is answering the question "Why is The Human War Nonsense" with "Because The Human War is nonsense." She is implying that she is the only conscious and perceiving entity in the universe.
Most people anticipate the question, "Why?" and so do not go up to another person and say, "You are a terrible piece of shit," but instead say something like, "You said you would meet me in the park and you didn't show up. Therefore [because you don't do what you say] you are a terrible piece of shit."
The sentences in THE HUMAN WAR mostly do not even say, "You are a terrible piece of shit," but only say, "You said you would meet me in the park and you didn't show up."It uses mostly only concrete specifics. It is the opposite of Heidi James' review.
When a person uses only concrete specifics they are not imposing their experience of the universe onto you (or rather they are minimizing the imposition, since even a tree or a park, though concrete, is experienced differently by two different people; for example I could say "tree" and someone, though unlikely, could think I was talking about a "dog" or something). They are allowing the possibility that both you and they are conscious beings with different experiences of the universe. You can go up to that person and say, "I like red flowers," and they can say, "I like green flowers," and then you and that person can talk about something else without fighting.
It is the same with art. Books are like colors. People like different colors.
Okay.
I will type about the sentences in the review now.
Abstractions or "terms" in that sentence that are not defined are "prose poetry," "elaborate," "rhythmic," "dissonant," and "weight."The Human War — a short book written as a combination of prose poetry/dialogue, which therefore gives each and every sentence an elaborate, rhythmic yet dissonant weight.
Abstractions or "terms" in that sentence that are not defined are "significance," "staccato," "adolescent," "angst," "meagre," "hysterical," "rant," "reader's close attention," "alienation."This significance to each staccato line betrays the protagonist’s adolescent angst as a meagre hysterical rant that rebuffs the reader’s close attention (perhaps intentionally), whilst mirroring the narrator’s alienation.
Abstractions or "terms" in that sentence that are not defined are "tired," "existential," "nonsense," "lazy," "facile," "the human condition," "weary," "tropes."However, this is a tired existential nonsense, and I dispute the lazy comparisons of this work with Beckett — whilst it’s true Cicero’s characters witter on without dynamic or conclusion — this is merely a facile aping of Beckett’s revelation of the human condition written in weary tropes.
Abstractions or "terms" in that sentence that are not defined are "synecdoche," "Western society," "successful," "Post-Modern apathy," "poetry," "revelation," "lowest common denominator," "reality TV."If this book is intended as a synecdoche for Western society then I am afraid it is disappointingly successful, and perhaps that is my problem with this work, whilst personally shunning redemptive novels this small reflection of Post-Modern apathy is just too lacking in poetry or revelation to raise it from the lowest common denominator and frankly I can watch reality TV if I need a fix of that.
If someone keeps saying, "You are a terrible piece of shit," to you and doesn't tell you what you did in concrete reality that made them think that how would you react?
Post your answer in the comments section.
Thank you.
It is 4:27 a.m.
I recommend Noah's book.
I have read it three or four times and I like it.
I read probably 2% of the books I have read more than once.
I was just a little confused because I thought, "What if Heidi James is just saying she doesn't like Noah's book, isn't that just like saying she doesn't like the color red, or something?"
But I don't think she is saying that.
The review doesn't say "To me" or "I think" or "I like" or "I don't like."
It is not, "I think you are a terrible piece of shit," or "To me, you are a terrible piece of shit." It is, "You are a terrible piece of shit," stated as a fact. She is not saying that she does not like the book. She is saying that the book should not be liked. Remember: this is not "good" or "bad" because "good" and "bad" do not exist until a context and a goal has been established and I did not establish a context or a goal in this post.






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Tao, Penelope finally convinced me to read your books, and although it's quite a busy time at the Times, as we're moving to the new building, I must admitted I was entralled by the brilliance of your writing and stayed up all night with the books.
In the morning I wrote what I thought was a splendid review which I hoped the paper would print a week from Monday.
But when I submitted the review to the arts editor, he pointed out all the abstractions and undefined terms in the review: "splendid," "enthralled," "brilliance," "genius," "inegenious," "masterpiece," "superb," "resonant," "delight," "sparkling," "wit," and many more.
He said you would excoriate me on your blog for writing like that and he would not have the paper and in particular the arts section subject to such ridicule.
So he killed the review and ordered me to write a review of a gay vampire novel instead.
You haven't published a gay vampire novel, have you?
i would punch them in the face, and then have sex with them.
Gay vampires?
Here are my rules for book reviewing:
1. Try to understand what the author wished to do, and do not blame him for not achieving what he did not attempt.
2. Give him enough direct quotation--at least one extended passage--of the book’s prose so the review’s reader can form his own impression, can get his own taste.
3. Confirm your description of the book with quotation from the book, if only phrase-long, rather than proceeding by fuzzy precis.
4. Go easy on plot summary, and do not give away the ending. (How astounded and indignant was I, when innocent, to find reviewers blabbing, and with the sublime inaccuracy of drunken lords reporting on a peasants’ revolt, all the turns of my suspenseful and surpriseful narrative! Most ironically, the only readers who approach a book as the author intends, unpolluted by pre-knowledge of the plot, are the detested reviewers themselves. And then, years later, the blessed fool who picks the volume at random from a library shelf.)
5. If the book is judged deficient, cite a successful example along the same lines, from the author’s ouevre or elsewhere. Try to understand the failure. Sure it’s his and not yours?
To these concrete five might be added a vaguer sixth, having to do with maintaining a chemical purity in the reaction between product and appraiser. Do not accept for review a book you are predisposed to dislike, or committed by friendship to like. Do not imagine yourself a caretaker of any tradition, an enforcer of any party standards, a warrior in an idealogical battle, a corrections officer of any kind. Never, never (John Aldridge, Norman Podhoretz) try to put the author “in his place,” making him a pawn in a contest with other reviewers. Review the book, not the reputation. Submit to whatever spell, weak or strong, is being cast. Better to praise and share than blame and ban. The communion between reviewer and his public is based upon the presumption of certain possible joys in reading, and all our discriminations should curve toward that end.”
Do you think Heidi James followed my rules? I don't.
She didn't follow John Updike's rules.
No she didn't.
I even follow John Updike's rules when I review.
I'm glad that you, Noah, unlike that woman whose name I shall not write again, do follow my rules.
I hope this means that you and Tao will stop fighting me and we can join forces to stop shoddy book reviewing. I was not always the man with the face you now see before you.
Read Rabbit, Run and you will discover the truth: Noah, I am your father!
Metaphorically, that is.
Let's kill all the book reviewers!
I'm getting out of here.
You can't call her a book critic. Um, people, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this -- the review sucked because it was ON A BLOG!
Real book reviewers write for newspapers. If Heidi James had tried to write this for a paper, her editor (like Janet Maslin's editor at the Times -- or like Tao, if Tao was a newspaper book editor) would have stopped the review because of all the problems with it.
By the way, Janet, coincidentally I happen to be writing a gay vampire novel now. Book critics can be as creative as anyone, you know.
The problem with the review of Noah's book, to put it as succinctly as I know how, is that it uses too much subjective language and not enough objective language. This is freshman comp stuff. It's fine to have an opinion, but you've got to back it up--and w/o even a brief excerpt from the novel itself, it just wreaks of being amateur. At best it's an op ed piece, not a review. Not that I've read Noah's book, but this won't stop me from at least checking it out in a bookstore and judging for myself.
i want to punch gay vampires in the face, and then have sex with them.
wow, did john updike just claim to be noah's father? jesus. this is a weird blog.
if someone wrote a review like that for me, i'd probably send her balloons with slurs written on them. maybe tie them to her car antennae.
balloons full of spiders.
Tao Lin,
I am thinking of reinstituting our newspaper's book review section but only with a new editor who understands what makes a good book review.
I know you are very busy, but would you at all be interested in the position?
You wouldn't have to move to Atlanta. Or ever come here if you didn't want to.
Please let me know.
Thank you for your consideration.
Very truly yours,
John Mellott
Publisher
Atlanta Journal Constitution
hey tao, i've been here working since 7:30 in the morning & know i'm suppose to stay 12 hrs, but i'm really tired and my brain is numb --
also my girlfriend got tickets to see the bamboo kids & mighty fine at luna lounge for 7pm so if i stay the whole time i'll miss it
i called cindy & she said her period is really bad but she'll come in early anyway & then do her regular 7:30pm-7:30am shift
is that ok?
ps, i took some of the broccoli from the refrigerator, i was totally starving, i promise i'll pay you for it
Tao, I came in early so Jamal could meet his girlfriend and get something to eat before going to Luna Lounge.
Speaking of that, is it ok if I order in some pizza from Di Fara's? I'll pay for it myself, of course. 13+ hours is a long time to work without eating something.
Oh, and I know you require all of us to be drug-free but frankly if I didn't take a Midol before I got here, I couldn't be working for such a long time. I just wanted to let you know because I'm pretty sure it will show up when you do the weekly testing on Monday.
And before I came, I got the usual copy of the book at St. Marks.
Also I got you a mug that says "Worlds Greatest Boss."
shit bag
Janet,
My intern, Frank, from New Jersey is biking (I enforce a no-carbon-emissions policy for interns) to your office in midtown currently with a manuscript of my gay vampire novel.
Thank you for your interest.
John Freeman,
I sent you BED a while ago. Have you read it?
John Mellott,
Please email me the details including if I'll be allowed to print phrases such as "existentially fucked," "this book made me want to kill myself by eating five coconut cream pies in 20 minutes," etc.
jamal,
that is fine about bamboo lounge. thank you for letting me know. don't worry about the broccoli, i'm glad that you are eating healthy.
cindy,
that is fine about the pizza and the midol. go ahead. thank you for letting me know though.
i just checked flickr and i don't see any new photos. please put up the photos of salman rushdie reading e.e.e. on the toilet as soon as possible. i hope you didn't lose the digital camera or anything like that.
It's okay for people not to like the same books. You can still like the book. Don't worry.
steve, don't be an ass
i said it is okay for her not to like the book
but she stated it as a fact that the book should not be liked
without saying why
I was being an ass. I'm sorry.
If she said she liked the book without explaining why, no one would have said anything. You would have posted a link to it.
I haven't read the book, so I don't know if I like it or not. I like the quote from the book Tony O’Neill had in his review. I would read the book, I think.
Let me see if I understand this: a negative book review is posted on a website (3AM) at which the book's author serves as an editor. His book is then prompty defended on 3AM by a disinterested third party; later this defense is substantiated on the blog of a fellow 3AM editor (and then linked on the 3AM website) - an editor who previously admitted that he uses his position as editor to more easily publish the work of his friends on 3AM?
It's all so confusing, I don't understand.
3am is not a blog, 3am is professional
miles, you're confused. that's okay.
"If she said she liked the book without explaining why, no one would have said anything. You would have posted a link to it."
if she said she liked the book without explaining why i wouldn't say anything, but that is not the opposite of what she said
the opposite of what she said would be saying that the book 'is the best,' and not 'i like the book'
and i talk shit about people who say certain books are 'the best' all the time
don't worry, you are not an ass, i was being an ass
miles, don't worry
your comment confused me
if i like someone's writing i will talk to them, though, and we will become friends
supporting friends' art is okay, don't worry
Tao, the photos of Salman Rushdie reading your book on the toilet are now up on Flickr. Unfortunately, the contract they signed with us gave Padma the right to approve the pics before they were posted and I had a hard time locating her since she was at some party uptown. She sounded a little like she was on coke or something but finally she gave her approval.
Thanks for understanding about the midol and the pizza, and thanks even more for the vegan brownies you baked for all of us interns! Yum!
Well, only another 7 and 1/2 more hours of hard work. But I love it, boss! You're the best!
I guess I'm confused that 3AM, as a professional publication, would have posted something as juvenile as that original "review" of The Human War to begin with. I can think of two reasons why it might have been posted: either the "review" serves as a publicity ploy designed to drive up your sites' respective hit counters (and drive up sales of THW in the UK - not an ignoble ambition by any means), or else that the original "review" was selected for inclusion in 3AM on its own merits, suggesting that 3AM's publication standards are entirely unprofessional.
Have I missed something here?
-mnc
err, i'm new and hence confused. is the john updike who wrote here the real john updike?
And Tao, is there any chance of your book releasing in India?
Phil L. called and told me to tell you the two guys from Castella de Mar (sp?) got on the plane at Palermo and will soon be in London to take care of the "little Swiss girl" problem.
I'm makin' it thru the night!
cindy,
please don't comment on my blog after 2 a.m.
it makes me nervous of having you as an intern because, as you know, you are supposed to be spreading 'word of mouth' 'on the streets of new york' continuously from 1 a.m. to 6 a.m.
please don't make me 'let you go.'
miles,
all those things you typed are true, i think
i don't know what is happening, i just read that thing and typed about it
pr,
yes, that is the real john updike, he comments here sometimes (he's friends with my dad, who worked with him at the new yorker, as the asia correspondent)
my books were going to be published in india but were banned because of the 'unseemly, decadent' depiction of gandhi in the story 'three-day cruise'
The context of her statements being a book review, I think it's implied that it represents her opinion and not concrete reality.
Tao, after I read what you wrote, I got out on the streets and was spreading the word about your book every place I could like a good intern.
Please don't let me go, I'm a really good viral marketer. You know, sometimes it's confusing when you tell me to both get out on the streets to spread the word and also to stay here and pick up the phones and put the Salman Rushdie pics up on Flickr. Not that I'm complaining, but it's not easy being in 2 places at 1 time.
Especially when you're having your period, ha ha.
Anyway, I know it's only 5:30 am and I'm supposed to be out another half-hour but I really am tired and needed to use the bathroom and besides, I have all this office work to do.
Speaking of which, Robert Scarano left a message asking if you'd looked at his revised plans for the Morgan Avenue house yet. He was particularly interested in knowing what you thought of the "Juliet-style" balcony in bedroom no. 4, the one designated for Ellen's mother.
He said that since she's been threatening to jump out the window since she met you, this feature might be a very convenient one.
Then he ended by asking a weird question, if Mrs. Kennedy is anything like her weird cousin from Cray Gardens or something. Do you know what that means?
Well, just two more hours of office work. I hope you don't mind, I brought in some coffee from a Greek diner, I really need to keep awake till Carlos comes at 7:30.
Hopefully he'll be on time this week. Last week he was 20 mins. late saying his moms was ragging on him for missing church and going to work instead. I think she slapped him when he told her you were more important than God. He looked like he was crying a little and that's probably why he was late.
But like me, he's really loyal to you, boss. We love you to pieces!
Hope you're enjoying your sleep right now. Sounds good to me.
Tao, John Freeman just called. He sounded a little drunk, also he was crying a little. You could tell he was trying not to & that made it worse.
Well, he said his review of BED was rejected everywhere because of his calling it "the best" story collection of all time.
He seemed really distraught. I told him to go home and get some sleep. I hope he doesn't do anything foolish. At the end he kept blubbering about feeling bad about thing: "I let Tao down, I let Tao down."
What is it with literary guys with this crying? I can't imagine you crying, boss. But then you're like special!
Tao, I'm leaving now, Carlos came in early but I told him to go to the freezer and get some ice for his face.
He's not going to tell you, he's like stoic, but last night when he was in a bar in Greenpoint "spreading the word" about your books, it turned out some n + 1 editors were there and they started hassling him.
They were drunk and really hostile and came over and started pushing him around. He knows your rule about us never arguing and "turning the other cheek," but when Carlos did that, one of the guys punched him in the cheek!
He tried not to get into the fight but you know, in his part of Williamsburg, guys always defend the honor of their girlfriends or family, and Carlos didn't mean any harm.
Anyway, he's really scared you're going to "let him go" because he gave one of them (Keith Gessen, he thinks) a black eye. The other one he pretty much knocked out tho Carlos said he was so drunk, the guy pretty much fell over and passed out when Carlos hit him.
Please don't fire Carlos, Tao. He's so loyal to you! You know, he's not only missing church today by working but also the Puerto Rican Day parade.
He won't say any of this. We love you and don't want to disappoint you.
My shift is up now. I love you, boss.
And so ends another 24-hour episode of "The 'Reader of Depressing Books' Blog Comments Show," this week featuring Guest Star John Updike and Special Guest Star Miss Janet Maslin.
The part of Tova Reich was played by Ellen Kennedy. The part of Gene Morgan was played by Noah Cicero. The part of Noah Cicero was played by Gene Morgan. The part of John Freeman was played by Edward Champion.
The part of Publisher John Mellott was played by Your Announcer.
The part of Jamal was played by Mike Young. The part of Cindy was played by Miranda July. The part of Miles Clark was played by Marco Roth. The part of pR was played by Kiran Desai.
Bibi, Alex, Bryan, Ryan, Steve, Brad and Billy played themselves.
And of course, this show, as usual, starred Tao Lin as "Tao Lin."
Come back in a future date for an irregular episode of "The 'Reader of Depressing Books' Blog Comments Show" brought to you by Action Books -- when you think poetry, think Action -- and Melville House, publishers of the highest quality literature.
Thank you and good night.
{No n + 1 editors were harmed during the taping of this episode.}
{Salman Rushdie on the toilet photo courtesy of Annie Leibovitz.}
oh pubicity, publicity, publicity. all well and good, i guess.
but the part of george saunders was played by...
a gay vampire.
The quality of this blog is really slipping. Do something, Tao.
thank you for the show, i enjoyed it very much
I drank with John Freeman once. The blackguard couldn't hold his liquor. He took one look at the shot of tequila on the bar and passed out. Now I've seen a lot of things. But that takes the cake. Not even Noah Cicero could claim such a strange experience.
I've emailed Sam Tanenhaus, but he doesn't want to go out drinking.
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i enjoyed this show.
i am supposed to g-mail interview tao in a few hours. i hope our conversation is like this show. or like a small rabbit attempting to surf.
I was going to leave a simple comment like, "Noah is the man. Ohio is the shit...blah, blah, blah." But ah...there are gay vampire novels I have not read and fights and I am not sure I can really deal with all this. And there are already 48 other comments. Where is all this leading anyway?
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