4/14/07

dear everyone who pre-ordered e.e.e. & bed

you will get the books next week; if your address changed email me

if you live close i will send by media mail, if you live far i will send by priority mail

i will draw surprises on bright paper that may be rated pg-13 or higher for some people; i will look at each person's name and use discretion accordingly; if you want nc-17 email me and i can do that

i want to say something

i think everyone who pre-ordered my book should go to the amazon pages for e.e.e. and bed and review the books before you read them

a legal way to read books and also help independent bookstores without spending a lot of money is to buy books from independent bookstores, read them, and then return them to borders or barnes & nobles for a gift card to sell on ebay; this works, i have done it before, and it is legal; you can also get free books from book parties and return them to borders or barnes & noble

gift cards sell for around 80% of their value on ebay i think

barnes & noble had this thing the last time i returned two books from unknown origin, though, where they mail me my gift card, and they had me fill out a form, and said i would not get my gift card for 3 to 4 weeks, so after that happens once maybe try borders or waldenbooks or someplace (maybe it was just that barnes & noble because it did not happen at other locations)

those are all legal things

someone should paste all that into a review of e.e.e. or bed saying that that is what e.e.e. or bed is about

i want someone to review e.e.e. and call me the asian john updike if john updike adopted a child with jonathan safran foer and then left jonathan safran foer and jonathan safran foer raised me himself in secret from his wife nicole krauss

i would feel excited if people reviewed my books saying things like that

please do things like that

it will be exciting

i like the review someone gave my poetry book

i think most people go to amazon to see if a book is popular or not and to get information about the book

(if you are ideologically opposed to corporations and amazon, don't worry, what i am suggesting will decrease amazon's power in the long-term, i think

the amount of interest and confusion (which will cause more interest, i think) like 20 reviews about asian john updikes and giant caterpillars will generate will get melville house and myself more money comparatively (amazon will also make more money), in the short-term, than if there were not those things, and after enough 'notability' has been gotten, in the future, the long-term, i can write a non-fiction book (i am already 'set' to do this, it has been discussed) whose facts will from the perspective of most people be 'against' corporations and amazon, and with the increased 'notability' melville house will have by then, due to the interest generated now, which will get them more attention and reviews, the non-fiction book will do much more 'damage' to corporations and amazon than if we had not at first 'used' amazon and gotten them a little more 'power'

also if melville house continued to gain power and influence until they had more power and influence than amazon they would not, i don't think, 'become' amazon, but instead cause amazon not to exist anymore (with their 55-60% or something discounts from the publisher or distributor, or something, much higher than normal stores) while if amazon continued to gain power and influence melville house would still be able to exist, as long as they chose to continue to exist

also if you pre-ordered from me and read this site you are probably more likely to want to support independent venues, while people who look on amazon for things to buy are probably more likely to be spending all or most of their extra money on corporations anyway, to 'save money'

in conclusion doing things on amazon helps amazon less than it helps melville house, and melville house is opposed to amazon; something can be opposed to something and still use it, if it knows that using it will help itself more than it helps the thing it is opposed to

therefore most people can feel 'moral' about reviewing e.e.e. and bed on amazon

and for people who say they have no ideologies it will be interesting, new, fun, and exciting to know that people who don't know anything about the books will come and see 20 reviews that don't talk about the book, say lies about the book, or say different things about the book than any of the other reviews

thank you

together we can exploit (or rather divert the money of) people who spend money where the price is lowest regardless of whether or not it is a corporation, independent business, or giant moose and gain money for melville house and tao lin while also doing things that are new and exciting and maybe fun or at least not boring

21 Comments:

Blogger Blueberry said...

i think i was first to review your books. i hope people believe me. i tried to sound like an asshole so people would take my opinion more seriously.

12:34 AM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

save the dolphins was good. p.k. almond only cares about dolphins not my books.

12:36 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Why is it bad that someone sells books at a discount? If any company had as many sales as Amazon, it would turn into Amazon.

No one is going to deny himself success to "prove" something to society. People who run companies and all want to gain power and influence, because that is what earns them money. No one is going to say, "My company is too successful and my profits are too high; I should stop selling my books at a discount and make them less affordable for people so they get less books and I get less money."

10:44 AM  
Blogger CLAY BANES said...

numbers at this moment here.

1:22 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

How did you get that

1:37 PM  
Blogger Blueberry said...

p.k. almond cares about literature. she owns 50,000 shares in Amazon.com stock.

5:14 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

steve,

melville house publishes many books that lose money; if they had more money they would publish many more books that lose money

steve, also melville house is not a corporation, they are not existentially required to increase profits, etc. but at least have a choice whether or not to publish books that lose money, donate to charity, etc.

the reason it is 'bad' for amazon to get books at a %55-%60 discount from the publisher or distributor is that then amazon makes more money than the publisher in comparison to if the publisher sold to independent bookstores, who get like %40-%50 discount off cover price (these numbers are wrong, but close maybe)

if only amazon existed amazon would become very rich and everyone else very poor

if only melville house existed there would be more even distribution of wealth, steve

for more about these kinds of things read my other blog posts, which i know you have

6:04 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

clay, what is that for, on order by who?

6:04 PM  
Blogger ashley moyers said...

i am excited about pg-13 or higher rated pictures

for mine do whatever you want

7:33 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Melville House publishes with the expectation of earning money. If they lose money on books, then maybe they made bad decisions about them. Maybe the press run was too high, maybe paper quality was too high, maybe the cover was too expensive to print, or the binding was too expensive. This all costs money. This is the same with any kind of publishing.

If they didn't publish books that made money, then they wouldn't be in business. The books they publish pay their salaries, pay for their rent, et cetera.

If publishers were so against the sales they got from Amazon, they would all team together and not sell Amazon books at a slightly higher discount. Amazon gets them sales so they also help Amazon.

If you want 'equal wealth' then you should fight against capitalism in favor of communism, not against Amazon in favor of Melville House.

9:50 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

"Melville House publishes with the expectation of earning money. If they lose money on books, then maybe they made bad decisions about them. Maybe the press run was too high, maybe paper quality was too high, maybe the cover was too expensive to print, or the binding was too expensive. This all costs money. This is the same with any kind of publishing."

melville house does not publish everything expecting to earn money. dennis johnson has quoted, i have heard him, about five times that the person who published moby dick said he knew moby dick would lose money but funded books like moby dick by publishing cookbooks. dennis johnson will publish books that make money like cookbooks in order to fund books that will lose money, like my forthcoming poetry book. i have heard him say like 5 times that he would lose money on whatever book, that he knew he would lose money. certain books will not get mainstream press because they are criticizing the mainstream press.

"If they didn't publish books that made money, then they wouldn't be in business. The books they publish pay their salaries, pay for their rent, et cetera."

yes, they publish certain books in order to make money. they do not publish ALL THEIR BOOKS in order to make money. or else why would they publish celia farber's AIDS book or why would dennis johnson publish a book that criticizes the new york times in detail and with names?

"If publishers were so against the sales they got from Amazon, they would all team together and not sell Amazon books at a slightly higher discount. Amazon gets them sales so they also help Amazon."

corporate publishers would not team together against amazon since they are the same thing as amazon. independent booksellers, etc. do team up against amazon all the time. i went to the panel and florida and very independent person was non stop shit-talking against amazon.com.

"If you want 'equal wealth' then you should fight against capitalism in favor of communism, not against Amazon in favor of Melville House."

it is impossible to fight "capitalism" since that is an abstraction. it is also impossible to support "communism," unless i live in a world of ideas and not in concrete reality.

based on what i know i think "equal wealth" can be better achieved by keeping a "free market" system but without allowing companies to be publicly-owned. but people will always want companies to be publicly-owned, so that they can get government benefits, more funding, can sell stock to raise money, etc., so a good way to "fight" that would be to have massive support for people or entities in positions of power whose goal in life (a publicly-owned corporation's goal in life is to increase profits) is not to amass money, for example dennis johnson and valerie merians at melville house

thank you steve for your comments

if i don't make sense please make more comments

10:17 PM  
Blogger ryan said...

comment

10:25 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Other publishers partake in "niche" publishing too to create a "brand." They may not make a large profit on all of their titles, but each title helps solidify their "brand" image. The market in mass media is so segmented that by not appealing to what's "popular," Melville House is creating its own market.

The bottom line is that Melville House didn't form simply to serve as a social commentary on corporations like you're making it sound. I am not saying there is anything wrong with Melville House. A lot of companies produce things out of "importance" over "the bottom line," such as film studios. They are still trying to make money overall. This isn't me talking shit about Melville House. I like what they publish. I just didn't agree with what you said about Amazon.com vs. Melville House.

12:01 AM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

it's impossible to agree or disagree with what i said

i didn't say any opinions like 'melville house is good' or 'amazon is bad'

i just stated facts, i think

or some of it, the parts you are addressing

what don't you agree about exactly?

12:31 AM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

where is mine and ellen's luna negra!?

12:36 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

I'm excited that I elicited ALL CAPS and ?! from you.

12:58 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

These statements are stereotypes and assumptions, which aren't facts:

"also if melville house continued to gain power and influence until they had more power and influence than amazon they would not, i don't think, 'become' amazon, but instead cause amazon not to exist anymore (with their 55-60% or something discounts from the publisher or distributor, or something, much higher than normal stores) while if amazon continued to gain power and influence melville house would still be able to exist, as long as they chose to continue to exist

also if you pre-ordered from me and read this site you are probably more likely to want to support independent venues, while people who look on amazon for things to buy are probably more likely to be spending all or most of their extra money on corporations anyway, to 'save money'"

That is what I had a disagreement with.

1:03 AM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

i see

i agree those are assumptions

i should not have said those maybe

but i said 'probably' and 'i don't think'

to convey that they only might be true

1:08 AM  
Blogger The Man Who Couldn't Blog said...

Tao,

That looks like the Ingram order page. Ingram is a distributor. We order from them all the time.

Also, I have a new post about evolution.

1:25 AM  
Blogger Blueberry said...

where the fuck is my luna negra

3:30 PM  
Blogger Blueberry said...

no punctuation

you have been defeated

3:31 PM  

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