9/1/06

richard yates

i just drank coffee

i am going to blog about richard yates

here is an article about richard yates

i'm going to list the books he wrote and say some things about them

i just want to think about richard yates for a while right now

and just type what i think

revolutionary road (1961)
i liked this novel because the narrator was sarcastic, the characters were bored and self-conscious and depressed, and there were no bad people

the book is set in the suburbs

i feel confused when people blame the suburbs; when people condemn the suburbs as a place of mediocrity, banality, homogeny, etc.

i seems like everyone automatically blames the suburbs for things; i'm trying to and i feel unable to think of what people's actual arguments against the suburbs are; is it that the houses look the same, that the stores are the same?

what difference does it make if the houses look the same? and what difference does it make if all the stores are the same if you don't care (if your actions aren't changed) about publicly-traded companies' effect on the world?

in conclusion, i don't know

the book was funny, it used simple language, and had a sarcastic narrator
eleven kinds of loneliness, stories (1962)
i don't remember most of these stories

there is a kind of story that you know what it's about

it's about 'this person is a bad person' or 'this law is wrong' or 'racism is bad' or 'war is bad' and most of the stories in this book have some of that in it, which i do not like to read about usually

people call that kind of writing, where you know what it's about, 'genre' writing, i think

i think the only way to avoid giving your writing this kind of 'meaning' is to not have any rhetoric at all, or to have your rhetoric be a kind of rhetoric that first always acknowledges not knowing anything

by having it be sentences like 'i feel fucked today'

i don't know

i'm not making sense
a special providence (1969)
this book is about richard yates in world war II and richard yates growing up with his mother

during the world war II part it is like high school, it could have been set in high school, there is no rhetoric or discussion or acknowledgement of politics, nationalism, fighting 'evil,' etc.

it is mostly only the character feeling nervous and having low self-esteem and trying to avoid embarrassment and trying to have friends and keep friends and have a facade of confidence the entire time

which i liked

usually writers when they get famous they start taking an interest in politics due to peer pressure maybe

yes, peer pressure

look at the existentialists in europe

politics seems to be the opposite of meaninglessness

yet camus and sartre were political later on

richard yates never took an interest in politics, it seems

i'm not saying taking an interest in politics is bad

if your life is meaningless then really you have a philosophy whose actualization would be to stop eating and eventually die naturally

if you continue living each day you are actualizing a philosophy where there is meaning, which is to keep on living, and if you avoid pain and try to be happy then you are actually a philosophy that says 'pain is bad,' 'happiness is good,' and 'life is good'
disturbing the peace (1975)
i just read this

i liked it

i think richard yates wrote three novels that if i had read each novel first i would think 'he used his entire life and put in everything he felt into that novel and his other books are probably just him "screwing around"'

most writers i've read do that

they just 'screw around' after writing one book that has everything they want to say in it

or they have one book that i like much more than the other books

i just tried to think of examples and couldn't think of anyone

so i guess i am wrong

ignore all this

i'm just saying that richard yates has three novels where after i read them i think 'this person is not screwing around'
the easter parade (1976)
this is my favorite book by him

when i think about it i can have the entire thing be in my head and i can think about it and let it stay there

he said he wrote it very quickly, in like 8 months, i think, just to make money and so didn't trust it

i like this book

the characters are all 'fucked'

the main character is the least 'fucked,' but the least 'fucked' person is always in a different way the most 'fucked' person, because of being most aware that everyone around him or her is 'fucked'

in real life i feel like i am the least 'fucked' person i know usually because i know that everyone around me is more 'fucked' (though only from my perspective; i know that they themselves would think that i am more 'fucked' than they are, and probably believe they are not 'fucked' at all) than me

i feel like i can console myself no matter the circumstance

i feel like the main character in this novel knew she was more self-aware and just more aware and conscious generally than everyone else and so felt alone in that way
a good school (1978)
the main character in boarding school is 'jerked off' by the other students one day

i wasn't affected by this book that much

in the other books you can tell richard yates is very weary and has stared at his writing for a very long time and cut or made sarcastic anything melodramatic or sentimental

i feel like he didn't do that here to the same degree, especially in the end

i think the reason why unself-aware sentimental or melodramatic things are not affecting to me is because i know that people who feel like shit for a long time, for a very long time, become less sentimental and melodramatic over time, because they get used to it, because they think about it more and become more factual in their thinking (sentimentality and melodrama are the opposites of 'facts,' i think), or because they just feel so shitty and alone and hopeless that they no longer have desire (or confidence that things would actually change) to expend energy to not feel shitty and alone and hopeless anymore

therefore when i read something sentimental or melodramatic i feel that the author does not feel as shitty as i have felt and therefore is happier generally than i am and is just going to feel sad for 20 minutes between 2000 minutes of feeling great before and after those 20 bad minutes
liars in love, stories (1981)
i like these stories

they are all long and have no 'messages'

i remember most of them very clearly
young hearts crying (1984)
i haven't read this
cold spring harbor (1986)
i read half of this and lost interest

he takes on a lot of different perspectives here instead of just writing about one depressed person
here is an interview with richard yates

19 Comments:

Blogger the turkish said...

Thanks for caring about Yates. Now I do too. Now I want to read him. He sounds more interesting and readable than his uncle, that Irish poet.

4:00 AM  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE: Favorite books

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9:32 AM  
Blogger Noah Cicero said...

"i am always confused when people blame the suburbs; when people condemn the suburbs as a place of mediocrity, banality, homogeny, etc."

Everyone is mediocre in their own unique. The whole goddamn world is mediocre.

If you feel that life is meaningless, you walk around and feel depressed for awhile. You go crazy from boredom, then you will be like, "I need to fill my mind with something, I need to fill my mind something." And nothing fills the mind, keeps it busy, endlessly, than politics.

Sartre, Richard Wright, Sinclair Lewis, and Erskine Caldwell were just people, just living their lives, and the government,world, whatever, thrust a political situation upon them. Sometimes you find yourself in a political situation, and if you write about your own life, you end up writing something political.

10:08 AM  
Blogger Noah Cicero said...

I want to add, i'm adding words.

There are different kinds of political literature:

There is John London in the Iron Heel, the book is just people giving speeches and being right or wrong all the time.

There is Erskine Caldwell's Tobacco Road, the book doesn't have politics in it, but the setting takes place in a situation that would appear in a sociology or history book. And maybe the book even has a mention in that chapter. Rev Road could fit into that category. Those two books work off the mirror theory of literature, that the reader has an existential reaction depending on what kind of person they are. Like if you look at the Amazon.com reviews for God's Little Acre by Erskine Caldwell, the people not from the south give good reviews, the people from the south who had grandparents who were share croppers said it was bullshit, because they don't want to admit things about themselves.

There's Native Son by Richard Wright, where if you were black in the thirties it would be incredibly difficult to not write a story with some politics in it.

Sartre's main political philosophical work is Critique of Dialectial Reason, which is a 700 page book on how meaningless life is. That all humans do is gather and disperse. And his play The Devil and The Good Lord is about a leader of the peasants in the German Peasant Rebellion, the guy realizes that life is meaningless, and kills people.

Analyzing this through World War 2 novels written by people at least near the battlefield are interesting. The Naked and The Dead doesn't really give an anti-war message, tries to encompass the whole war, from the generals to the smallest soldier, and has a lot of great war stories. Very hollywood. Also most of the americans don't really care about fighting.

Catch 22 shows the bureaucracy of war, doesn't offer any real good war stories of heroism like The Naked and The Dead. Also the americans don't really care about fighting.

Erskine Caldwell's All Night Long shows the Russian side, he shows a bunch of poor russians fighting like mad beause the Germans are killing whole Russian Villages.

A Special Providence shows one person's view of the war, what led that person to fighting, how they really didn't care, and how they really didn't get any good war stories. They were there, but they didn't feel entitled to sit in the local VFW bar and talk about it. Also no one really cares about fighting, just getting some war stories.

In reality Yates saw more combat than Norman Mailer and Erskine Caldwell, but they end up writing stories of heroism and struggle, and Yates write a story about being sent half way across the world to throw a couple of grenades and be cold.

But I guess that is Yates Tragic Honesty.

I think a A Special Providence is yates telling people, "The war was not that bad compared to having that mother."

From all the world war 2 novels from the american side, you get the impression our troops didn't know why they were there. I suppose the thing about telling them that nazies were evil because they were killing jews and sticking them in concentration camps didn't work well not consciously, but cognitively would be the word because in their own country black people were stuck in ghettos and being killed randomly all the time. And most of the population was anti-semetic. And the soldiers had grown up in a depression and weren't sure what they were fighting for.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

this post is bad, i'm sorry i made it

this post is bad

4:39 PM  
Blogger the turkish said...

but at least it is short...

5:04 PM  
Blogger the turkish said...

or maybe you meant the Yates piece. which is not so short. oops. i waste space. even now.

5:15 PM  
Blogger Chuck said...

Post not bad. Post good.

5:49 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

what i said about politics

it's a little wrong

the thing i said about philosophy and living each day and politics, i think that is right

so maybe sartre and camus realized that and that is why they became involved in politics, not because of peer pressure

it was stupid of me to say peer pressure

it was just a stupid joke

who is beepbeepitsme, is that spam?

12:41 AM  
Blogger John Baker said...

Thanks for the Yates piece. I don't agree with everything you say, but Yates was a great writer and his books have been neglected for too long. Your piece may bring more people to his work.
Thanks again

4:58 AM  
Blogger Richard Yates said...

i thought about richard yates when i was watching sideways. paul giamatti yells at an employee in a winery to pour him a full glass of wine during a tasting and when he refuses he goes on a wine rampage and dumps the bucket where you pour the wine after you taste it over his face and into his mouth. there is also a part like him where giamatti finds out that his ex-wife got remarried and when his friend refuses to take him back to the hotel he goes on another wine rampage and takes a bottle of wine from the back seat of the car and runs down the hill into a vineyard and drinks the wine while running and yelling go away. then after the whole bottle is gone he throws it very far.

8:07 PM  
Blogger the turkish said...

that was inTense

2:37 AM  
Blogger Richard Yates said...

who is sexier richard yates or woody allen?

8:23 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

woody allen because smaller

11:53 PM  
Blogger RBradley said...

i tried to read some of his stories after reading yr blog. he reads like he's being ingratiating, and like he's inviting you to agree with him, like some drunken ad man at a bar,
it's no surprise he drank himself to death, as what were his options?

1:47 AM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

what stories did you read

yeah, don't read his first book of stories

they do that, i said that

2:14 AM  
Blogger RBradley said...

it was a story collection, don't remember which, it was the only book my library carried of his, I was surprised, but then they don't have any of Beckett's novels either.
so if there's one book of his...it's Rev Road?

12:27 PM  
Blogger Tao Lin said...

i would pick the easter parade for one book

a lot of people would pick revolutionary road though

4:59 PM  
Blogger Jonny Ross said...

hey tao

i feel weird about commenting on such an old blog post.

i like what you had to say about richard yates. i'm glad you didn't delete it. i agree with you, i think i prefer easter parade to revolutionary road. maybe because it has a less rhetorical style and no real pov that's trying to be put across by the author (like how the suburbs are bad or whatever) other than everybody's "fucked" on some level depending on their awareness of how "fucked" they are and how it compares with others.

i haven't read disturbing the peace yet. i read the first story from his collected short stories. it was about a kid who got picked on at school because other kids thought he was a whimp or something, can't remember exactly. the kid tells a lie, maybe about his family or something, that causes the other kids to start respecting him. but then they overhear him talking to his teacher about it and realize he had been lying and they go back to picking on him and it ends with the kid drawing a naked picture of his teacher on the side of some cement structure, with the word bitch or cunt across it maybe. not sure about that last part. it was a good story.

8:24 PM  

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